"love and justice are not two. without inner change, there can be no outer change; without collective change, no change matters."
Listen to the full interview here: https://onbeing.org/programs/living-the-questions-why-2020-hasnt-taken-rev-angel-by-surprise/
This transcript has been lightly edited for readability.
Krista Tippett, host: Hi, angel.
Rev. angel Kyodo williams: Hi there. How are you?
Tippett:Ah. Well, [laughs] I’m glad to be hearing your voice.
Rev. williams:Good to hear yours.
Tippett:Where are you?
Rev. williams: I am in Oakland now — different Oakland than I was before, but Oakland. I moved right at the onset of all of the pandemic.
Tippett: You were moving as it was unfolding?
Rev. williams: California went into their stay-at-home orders on the 17th, and we were scheduled to move on the 18th.
Tippett:Well, I think, I’m sure Julie explained we’re putting our big, beautiful conversation back on the air. And I wanted to talk to you right now for just 20, 30 minutes, check in with you. I will say that listening to you again, to the conversation we had several years ago, it feels prescient. [laughs] It doesn’t just feel prescient. I don’t know that you used the language of “this moment,” but you said, “There is something dying in our society, in our culture, and there’s something dying in us individually. And what is dying … is the willingness to be in denial.”
And someplace else you said, “We are evolving at such a pace, what we’re experiencing now in our society, we’re just cycling through it. We’re digesting the material of the misalignment. We’re digesting the material of how intolerable it is to be so intolerant. We’re digesting the material of 400, 500 years of historical context that we have decided to leave behind our heads, and we are choosing to turn over our shoulders and say: I must face this, because it is intolerable to live in any other way than a way that allows me to be in contact with my full, loving, human self.”
This prophetic conversation, which Rev. angel Kyodo williams had with Krista in 2018, is an invitation to imagine and nourish the transformative potential of this moment — toward human wholeness. On Being's Krista Tippett says: “(angel Kyodo williams) is one of our wisest voices on social evolution and the spiritual aspect of social healing. angel Kyodo williams is an esteemed Zen priest and the second black woman ever recognized as a teacher in the Japanese Zen lineage. To sink into conversation with her is to imagine and nourish a transformative potential of this moment towards human wholeness.”
Reverend Angel has extraordinary and actionable insights on how to stay grounded and sane through these trying times, and transform ourselves for the better as the world around us transforms. She is an activist, a Zen Buddhist priest, and the second only Black woman to be ordained as a Zen Buddhist teacher. She shares powerful techniques to find liberation, identify what matters, and use the pandemic and this unprecedented time as a powerful tool for personal growth.
A companion conversation the On Being episode that has been re-aired for a third time — Krista catches up with Rev. angel Kyodo williams on how she’s keeping her fearlessness alive through pandemic and rupture.
As many of you know Rev. angel rarely shares information about her birthday, but this year is different.
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